asked about Syria. There’d been a breakthrough and Global pressure had forced the United States President to back off from bombing the country. 90% or of his own citizens told him not to be so stupid – in fact 99% of phone calls from the public to senators conveyed this message. At last, Worldwide accountability.
She said: “So Sergei Lavrov and John Kerry reached an agreement regarding the chemical weapons. The media have all focus on Obama, Putin, Kerry and Lavrov. And meanwhile the civil war continues, people are killed, refugees fleeing. Will diplomacy & politics stop Assad? End the war? What comes after Assad? No-one really wants to remove Assad!”
Let’s remove all the foreign mercenaries, foreign weaponry and foreign manipulators then the Syrians can choose who they want to govern their country – just like they were accustomed to, prior to all this imposed chaos.
Hey, don’t go by what you read in the papers! (This to a journalist!)
Sorry, that’s unfair, but somehow I just can’t delete it.
Do I believe all I read? Never! In a black & white world it would be simple, yes – this is the Middle East, Chris. There`s a Danish journalist who has travelled secretly in and out of Syria for the past two years and in whom I trust. She tells me of how the democratically minded have lost hope, of their despair just now. They were hoping for help from the west against Assad, but have given up. They do not want Assad, and they do not want to live in a religious, fundamentalist tyranny either… And the West prefer Assad to an even worse “devil”. As do, I believe, most of the players in this wargame. Those are the sad facts, as I see them.
Did the people of Yugoslavia want Tito or those of Libya want Gadafi. Do the people of Britain want Cameron?
Then again, did the people of Persia want the Shah thirty years back? No, they didn’t and they had an assertive revolution which ousted him and his elite. Sadly, though, the system they then established still had in its modus operandi the secret police system, eyes in every corner, whiskings away, that the Shah had used so overwhelmingly brutally. It was still in their psyche. (Ryszard Kapuściński wrote so well on this – “Shah of Shahs”.)
My feeling is that the single party Baathist democracy – Arabic, secular socialism – was and is far from perfect but had none of the brutal excess of Iran or, say, Saddam’s Iraq – although this latter was also termed “Baathist”.
Where’s the “democracy” in that?
Maybe the United States should have “helped” Adolf Hitler in defeating those aggressive British? Their helping the Brits held back European integration and democracy by over sixty years.
To me the relevant question right now is whether this proposed diplomatic solution on the chemical weapons issue will be only that. And the civil war goes on, undiminished, until thousands more have died and as many have fled and resistance against Assad dies out. The Syrians, the Egyptians, the Libyans etc like everybody else, want a future for their children, they want food, water, hospitals, education, schools, electricity etc. They want a life like ours. Some want democracy like ours. Who are we to say these countries are not ready? It has to start somewhere, with the first step.
In Egypt and in Syria the leaders could have allowed a step in the direction of democracy, they could have invited to talks instead of using force. But the opposition in Syria talks with 1117 voices. So perhaps this first step could be to get to together and form an opposition. But I think that what we would call the democratically minded is a small minority.
Democracy takes time. And flawed as this democracy of ours is, let`s not forget to fight for it! Let`s not forget how frail it is and take it for granted! I do not want to live in Iran or Syria or China, I prefer my flawed democracy, thank you very much
Democracy takes time – and yet we’re talking of the people in the cradle of civilisation. How long does it take – or maybe they’re way ahead of us!
Would your friend’s friends in Syria take up arms or, indeed, have they already? Or would they prefer to vote in elections as, I believe, they’ve been promised.
In Egypt they have democracy, and had long, complicated elections to choose a president. A year later they had an army coup (United States’ army, in oh so many ways!) because they didn’t like what he was doing. There is a substantial, educated, informed and probably ambitious middle class in Egypt, but there’s far more way below any poverty line you or I would seek to stay above. I think Morsi got caught between those two groupings, with outside pressures from his paymasters the US/Israeli alliance and the rich sheiks of Saudi.
Most, if not all, Libyans had a structured but very well provided for lifestyle up to the augmented, precipitated rebellion. No way was that a spontaneous uprising and NATO’s actions appal me to this day. How could we do that? And now they’ve moved, lock stock and AK47s to Syria.
This is not a civil war – this is a war of occupation, fought chiefly out of Turkey. It breaks every United Nations charter you could mention – how can the United States send containerloads of weapons over to support AlQaida mercenaries from all over the planet murdering whole villages, gassing populations, eating human flesh. To me these are the relevant questions – right now and as they have been for the last two and a half years since it all was started.
As for our flawed democracy – I have voted in every election since being old enough. Never once has the candidate I supported won. Do I live in a representative democracy?
Just one ever so last finally, cos I’ve gone on an on far too much, point – I reckon that Assad is a really nice guy and a less likely “despot” I’ve never seen!